tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2328566982075412654.post4681258871542748896..comments2024-03-27T23:35:31.191+00:00Comments on Devon Wargames Group: Battle of St Albans 1455 - 'Never Mind the Billhooks'jcrallshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03641911656118603234noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2328566982075412654.post-54815015932900088112021-07-27T10:52:41.369+01:002021-07-27T10:52:41.369+01:00Hi Norm, I am the chap who painted his WOTR figure...Hi Norm, I am the chap who painted his WOTR figures with contrast paints. First up, a couple of points. I only started using contrast paints because my eyesight has gone to pot, I am waiting for cataract surgery and probably will use them a lot less after I have had the ops. <br /><br />Contrast paints give a reasonable base paint job, they are not a replacement for normal painting techniques. They do simplify a lot of the basic work though, I use them as a shade and base coat, then add highlights where needed. Some of the colours are great for historical figures, especially the browns, greens and greys. Some less so, but that is personal taste. <br />Two things to note. I would recommend you use the contrast medium to thin the paint sometimes, it gives a different shade to the same colour. Also use the official contrast undercoat spray paints, they do make a difference in how the paint works. Oh, and paint light to dark, the darker colours will cover the lighter colours, it doesn't work the other way though.<br />Hope that helps, let me know if I can help in any other way.<br />Jasonjcrallshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03641911656118603234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2328566982075412654.post-58949830952406858152021-07-25T12:39:22.733+01:002021-07-25T12:39:22.733+01:00My mistake, mixing my dates. Obviously the Abbey w...My mistake, mixing my dates. Obviously the Abbey was not dissolved by the date of the battle of St Albans !<br /><br />Nevertheless, we grouped it with other town buildings, as a built up area. It being an Abbey having no effect on its function as a defence.<br />It doesn't seem to have played any part in the battle and didn't in our <br />attempt at a recreation.<br /><br />VinceVincehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03691369848035290908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2328566982075412654.post-81470832207636746072021-07-25T12:20:28.435+01:002021-07-25T12:20:28.435+01:00Mike,
We didn't have an Abbey building and an...Mike,<br /><br />We didn't have an Abbey building and anyway by 1455 the Abbey was in ruins, having received the attentions of Henry VIII's Commissioners. The Abbey church still existed, but we lumped this in with the rest of the town buildings to give a built up area, rather than trying to model the town building by building.<br /><br />As to the Tonman ditch, opinions differ as to where the battle started, Some accounts have the Lancastrians lining the inside of the ditch, others have them barricading the streets at the edge of the town. We took the view that the king lacked the men to defend a kilometre of ditch (and that is just the south side) and his commanders wouldn't have wanted to put their men in the open to face the Yorkists archers.<br />At the end of the day it is a case of whose account you believe and we stuck with the one that looked to give the best game and ditched the ditch. <br /><br />Concerning the size of the Yorkist force, this is also uncertain. Like most battles of the period we have no definitive head count and historians differ as to the numbers involved. I have read the available conclusions and saw that they varied between 3000 and 7000 for Richard of York's force. Consequently I quoted 5000, although as we were not deploying 5000 figures, we went with a 50% points advantage to the white rose. Frankly it would have been difficult to get many more in the space available in the town. I tend to take most accounts of numbers involved with a pinch of salt and don't see how anyone can say a precise figure.<br /><br />VinceVincehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03691369848035290908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2328566982075412654.post-59913065766910526472021-07-25T08:51:45.603+01:002021-07-25T08:51:45.603+01:00What a fantastic looking table and interesting AAR...What a fantastic looking table and interesting AAR, thanks for posting. I would be interested to hear of your experiences with contrast paint for WotR.Normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2328566982075412654.post-64878068776857875872021-07-24T22:04:04.428+01:002021-07-24T22:04:04.428+01:00Its us who should thank you for your excellent sce...Its us who should thank you for your excellent scenario, keep up the good work. ChasChashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10897742747280846893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2328566982075412654.post-28955635716872502452021-07-24T19:10:12.242+01:002021-07-24T19:10:12.242+01:00A cracking game. Great figures and scenery.A cracking game. Great figures and scenery.A Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834159033854153921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2328566982075412654.post-28043523479785378052021-07-24T17:31:38.683+01:002021-07-24T17:31:38.683+01:00Looks a fantastic game, great table and miniatures...Looks a fantastic game, great table and miniatures guys. I’ve found some bits of the rules to be vague, even after reading both faqs. I hope the second edition of the rules clears some bits up. All the best 😁👍Lee Wilkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07893494853157425037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2328566982075412654.post-7929889071585259862021-07-24T16:06:15.572+01:002021-07-24T16:06:15.572+01:00Thank you for the plug - looks like you had a grea...Thank you for the plug - looks like you had a great game.<br />Eric the Shedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17679305263405486078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2328566982075412654.post-14642363383943452852021-07-24T15:25:21.231+01:002021-07-24T15:25:21.231+01:00It is unlikely that the Yorkists had more than 300...It is unlikely that the Yorkists had more than 3000 men at 1st St Albans. And what happened to the Abbey and the Tonman Ditch?Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11392867531639666828noreply@blogger.com